>> jim, i got to ask you because you were a former atf hostage negotiator, if, if dzhokhar tsarnaev has access to television or radio or media of any kind, what kind of effect does something like his uncle coming out and saying, you've brought shame on checkens everywhere. you've brought shame on our ethnic minority. his father telling abc news that he should surrender. in terms of the psychology of that and the efficacy of that, moving things one way or the other. can you weigh in on that. >> it's exactly the point of view, going to use you in negotiation training. we would not want him to see that. if he did say that, talk through it and talk over that and get by it. probably, when we would be doing this, we would have cut that feed early so he wouldn't see that. because suicide follows humiliation. and shame. and so to have a relative on tv who, the gentleman is dispassionate, a good citizen and we understand where he's coming from, clearly. but to have the barricaded bomber here, you know you've shame, humiliation, you're a loser, those are things i would not want him to hear. if he